What happens when you put three musical titans together? Pure genius, that’s what! Power trio The Winery Dogs is made up of Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater, Avenged Sevenfold), Billy Sheehan (Mr. Big) and Richie Kotzen (Mr. Big, Poison). Three instantly recognizable names in Rock and Roll, have come together and are taking us down a path of musical mastery. RockRevolt was blessed to be able to sit down with two thirds of this powerhouse. Check out part one: our interview with Richie Kotzen!
With The Winery Dogs being described as the power trio, what do you feel that you are contributing to the fold?
Well, the power trio format has been my format forever. When I make my records, it’s me, a drummer, and a bass player. So, doing this with Billy and Mike is very natural for me and very comfortable. Basically, when the band formed, they had approached me through a friend of ours, Eddie Trunk. Eddie told me that they were looking to do a power trio, and they wanted to find a guitar player that sang lead vocals, who played guitar, and was also a writer. So, Eddie suggested me for this. I got a call from Mike Portnoy and we got together and talked. There was a chemistry there. We came up with a couple of songs and I ended up doing my thing. They liked what I did, so they decided to move forward and now here we are with a record. For me, I’m just doing what I normally do with a different cast of characters, but what is great about it is that these guys have such strong identities as individuals and their instruments. What’s great about the record, when you listen to it, you never get lost as far as who wrote what. When you hear the bass, you know it’s Billy Sheehan. When you hear the drums, you know it’s Mike Portnoy playing. I think that is very cool. It’s a record with three individuals, and nobody really gets lost. Everybody’s identity is still intact.
What makes The Winery Dogs different from other projects you’ve been involved with?
Well, the reality is that I’m not really a project guy. Over the past 10 years, the only records I put out were my records. The 10 years prior to that, it was the same thing. The only difference is that I did have a stint with Mr. Big. I did two records with them. Over the past 20 years, I’ve been averaging a record year. I don’t find myself in situations where I have projects outside of just writing music and performing it. So, this is a departure for me. The interesting thing is that six months before the I got the phone call from Eddie Trunk, I was talking to my friends and said, “I really love what I do and I’m not wanting to change anything, but I think it might be a good time to take a break from myself and get some other guys and write music with some other people – try something different.” No sooner that I say that, I get this phone call. It was actually perfect timing.
Very serendipitous! In your press releases you all are referred to as “veteran rockers”. Do you think of yourself in this way?
That means old, basically. I look in the mirror, my hair is getting gray. My beard is gray. I can’t turn my neck a certain way. I have some sort of ache in my shoulder. I have to watch what I eat, because I get a little heavy around the waist. It means that I can still rock, but I’m just fucking old.
Don’t tell me that! You guys aren’t that much older than I am! (laughs). You just talked about your stint with Mr.Big and Poison. How do you balance your professional and personal lives – between your music and otherwise?
Wow, that’s a good question! It’s very weird, because as a musician I’m in a position where this became my livelihood. It was never the intent. As a little kid I became interested in the guitar, tonight is one of the play the guitar. When I became a teenager, and somebody told me that I had to pay bills and make a living, luckily I was able to do that just by playing the guitar. I’m very thankful for that. The thing that becomes weird, when you talk about personal life and professional life, is that balance. I’m in a position where I can go make a record and tour it for three to four months out of the year. I do it in little shots. I go to Europe maybe twice a year, do a tour cycle in South America, a couple of shows here and there sprinkled around the United States. So, four months out of the year I might tour, but then I have all this downtime. When you’re on tour, all I can think about is being away from home and how I want to stop living out of my suitcase, stop moving every day – I just want to go home and wake up in my own bed, and get with my daughter and just kick it. Then you get home and it’s great, and then time goes by and you get bored. You really do! You don’t get up. You don’t go to work. You don’t have a routine. You are in this floating “I’ll get up whenever”. Aside from having to take my daughter somewhere or have dinner with my friends, I have all this freedom, but it can turn into madness. You have too much free time. It’s weird. Then you realize it’s time to go back again, and start the cycle again. You need that balance. I can’t be on the road all the time. I start to hate it. At the same point in time, I can’t just sit at home and do nothing. You really have to have some kind of sense of balance so that you don’t lose your mind. (laughs)
Understandable. As a professional in another field, I have to complete several educational requirements to maintain my proficiency in what I do. As a musician, what do you do to maintain your proficiency and edge?
It’s all a little different. As a songwriter, that is a different animal. It’s not something that I can control. I have to be in the right mindset, which means clearing your head. You don’t have deadlines. You don’t have to be somewhere. You can’t have pressure. Right now, I couldn’t write a song. Every day I wake up, I have an agenda. I have a list of interviews that I need to do. I have to be at rehearsals at a certain time. I have things to do. So, my brain is occupied, and I don’t have the freedom to be able to write. The writing happens when you have that freedom. As far as the physical aspect of performing, being a singer, health is a big thing. That’s rest: when you’re on the road getting enough sleep and not abusing your body. All those things come into play. Traveling is hard. That’s challenging and something that you have to adjust to. Everybody’s different. As a guitar player, that’s the easiest thing, because you can sit down anywhere and suddenly hours pass, you’ve been playing for hours, and discovering new things. Out of everything, that’s the easiest thing to deal with.
Very nice. In reading other interviews about The Winery Dogs, many laurels have been given to the storytelling quality of the layout of the songs on this latest album. How did you all decide to organize the songs in this fashion?
We let Mike do that. It was his idea. He likes to do that sort of stuff. For me, most of my energy is exhausted in singing, writing lyrics, and melodies – that sort of thing. I had a concept as how I thought it should be sequenced as well, but he said he wanted to do it. There were maybe one or two suggestions that one of us had to change it, but I thought it was a great sequence. I thought opening with “Elevate” made sense. I wanted to close the record with “Regret”, which he instinctively suggested. I’m happy with the sequence. As far as the songs telling a story in that sequence, if that is true, that is just very coincidental, because it was never written as a concept album or storytelling album. Each song is individual to itself.
How long did it take from start to finish to make the album?
If you added all the time together, maybe three months; it was staggered though. Mike came in and did drums over the course of 15 days. Then I came in while they worked on another project, and I worked on it for about a month on guitars and vocals. Then Billy came in and dealt with the bass. Then I came back in and did what I needed to do. We had another meeting with the three of us, where we added background vocals and percussion. If you added all the time together, it would be about three months.
Is that typical?
I think so. I think it was really relaxed. There was no deadline or rush. On some records, the band can go in and cut a record in a couple of weeks. It depends on the kind of record we are making, but the reality is, for us, is that we’re spread out. Mike is on the East Coast. I’m here. At the time we all got together, we had prior commitments. I was in the middle of a tour campaign with my last solo record which led me to do two European legs. I also had some other dates booked. I know the other two had other bands they were working with. They were all doing stuff, as was I, so our time was divided. I don’t think it affected anything in a negative way.
In retrospect you have done anything differently?
No, because I’m extremely satisfied with how the record came out. I really didn’t know how this was going to end, and the fact that I can listen to this record and not wish that somebody did something other than what they played is a great thing. I would not, for any reason, go back and meddle with it.
I watched your three videos that you have: “Elevate”, “Desire”,” I’m no Angel”. They all are very similar as far as content. Was that purposeful? Were they all done on the same day?
Well, it’s kind of funny. That date was set aside for us to get footage to put an EPK together. We did an interview, and they wanted us to perform. They were going to film it and take pictures and put it all into the EPK. What ended up happening was that they decided to edit the video. When we saw “Elevate”, we thought it was kind of cool. They said that they wanted to put it out on the Internet to present the band and generate interest. After it was put out they got a really good response right away. So we decided to put out all of them. We just really released them to let people know we’re here, this is what we sound like, this is what we look like, check it out.
My particular favorite is “I’m no Angel.” What songs do you feel is your favorite?
Out of those three, I would agree with you. Out of the entire record, my favorite is probably the last one, “Regret.” I’m really happy with the way that turned out.
Watch “I’m No Angel”
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What strikes you the most between those two songs?
With “Regret”, I’ve written that song probably a million times, with different lyrics and different chords. It’s just my thing. I love that kind of slower 6/8 tempo. There is comfort in singing in that way for me. It is the easiest way for me to sing it. It’s the most natural way for me to sing, because there is space. When you have that kind of space, as a singer, it allows you to relax, whereas in an aggressive song, sometimes you lose yourself and you find yourself screaming, and you lose your voice. I like songs like that, “Damaged”, “Desire”. “I’m no Angel” fits into that to. It’s a slower song,” and the vocals and riffs just fit together.
Yes. It has a very 80s quality.
That makes sense. I’m from the 80s!
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By: Alice Roques, Co-Founder/Managing Editor
Photo Credit: Travis Shinn
