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depression.                                                                       I like the way you’re thinking
 Yes, it’s all physical. Like                                                      there and that makes total
 my stomach is destroyed                                                           sense.
 from it. Like acids come                                                              No, it’s a real thing. It’s -- we
 into my throat. It causes                                                            talk about how contrived pop
 acid reflux disease and                                                               songs are these days. A lot of
 irritable bowel. Like all                                                            people think that it’s a machine
 of the worst physical                                                                like there are all these writers
 things  that  happen.                                                                who are just writing these pop
 Yes, I’ve seen multiple   Europe for like five or  six   think she is amazing without   songs that they know are going
 doctors and a therapist   festivals around  Europe.  And   my intervention  and she   to sell and that may be true to
 and I’m on medication   Yeah,  I think he’s a lot more  Tell me about your tour life   then back to the States  for   should keep it that way and I   a degree, but the other  thing
 and I’m  doing all of  th e   proud now that I’ve made the  and just what you’ve learned   a tour with Shinedown  and   should stay as far away and I   that’s true and the reason that
 things that are necessary. And   decisions I’ve made.   about being on tour.   then everything  from that   should just be a spectator. So,   happens  is because you take
 it helps, but it’s something I’m   I’ve learned to do laundry to   point,  I can’t talk about  that.   like my ego wants to say I want   like five writers and you end
 going  to be struggling  with  Your lyrics are very real and   do as often as possible. Socks   But I can tell you that we are   to collaborate with her, then   up with the lowest  common
 possibly my whole life.   emotional and very deep and   are disposable. Just  accept   not releasing any new music   if I’m being real, she doesn’t   denominator of ideas and you
 they touch on subjects that   it. They’re  disposable.  Don’t   anytime soon because that’s   need  me. She should  do her   end up with really boring basic
 Right. But it sounds like you’re  are potentially uncomfortable.   sleep too much. When  we   just the last thing on my mind   own thing.   songs. And that’s really what it
 dealing with it well.   Is there anything that you’ve   started, obviously for years   is making  another  record.   is, it’s not like there’s conceptual
 I  am now.  I  wasn’t  in the  written that you’ve felt was   and years, we rode a small 15   That’s just impossible  at this  Well she probably doesn’t   ideas like we’re going to write
 beginning.  In  the  beginning,  too far out there for human   passenger van, and we would   point. But we  will be  putting  need you either and you don’t   something  that’s boring and
 I didn’t see doctors. I was  consumption?   find hotels and finish the show   out some more content  and  need her but I think together,   done before because we know
 self-medicating,  I  was  really   No. I mean before “Ghost” was   at like midnight - 1 a.m., and   music videos and new singles  it would be a powerhouse.   it’s going to sell, it’s like this is
 considering  quitting  music.   a single, I was afraid of how   get to the hotel to sleep for like   things like that.   I  don’t  know,  that’s  what  we   just what everybody accepted.
 Like deeply  considering  it.   people  might  react. I didn’t   a couple of hours and then get   always want. Like you take   This is what we came out with
 Right before  we  wrote  the   know that it was going to work   up to drive  the next city too   Perfect. We’ll be looking   two artists  that you really   because we  didn’t  have  any
 album, that’s kind of where   on a mainstream platform. I   early. Now that we’re on a bus,   forward to that. Who would   like and you put them in a   like amazing ideas that weren’t
 my head was at. It was either   initially, we weren’t even sure   it’s really easy to just like check   you play with or tour with   room together, you imagine   being stifled by all these other
 like dive in deep and make an   if we should put that song on   out and wake up at  3  p.m.   that you’ve never toured with   something brilliant is going to   people  in  the  room  who are
 album  and  write some songs,   the album. And then when we   when you have to go sound   before?   come out of it, but here’s what   just trying to get a song.
 or call  it  quits  now.  Write up   did  put it on  the album, we   check and that hasn’t been   Some kind of collaboration   I’ve learned because I  have
 the email, send it to everybody,   thought, “well it  won’t  be a   very healthy. Like sleeping 10   with Billie Eilish, that would   collaborated with other artists  And nobody wants to take a
 this is it! I don’t like this lifestyle,   single, it will just be something   -12 hours because I can. The   be it.  that I respect that I really like  risk so you just kind of agree
 this is not healthy for me, it’s   that people  sort of find on   kick that I’m on now is to set   and I think they’re so talented  on it.
 not  working. I mean  I was   their own and it’ll become sort   an  alarm even  though  I can   Musically or visually? Because   and I’m a fan of. I found that   Right. Well individuals  take
 really teetering on the edge   of a cult thing that only certain   sleep. I’m not touring the way   she’s amazing but I think   a lot of times, not every time   risks but groups  don’t, that’s
 and I decided to -- I had the   people enjoy and most people   that I used to where I have to   where she really stands is her   but  a lot of  times  when you   what it is.
 thought, “If  my 13-year-old   won’t get it.” And then the   be the driver and I have to do   imagery.  collaborate  with somebody,
 self could like see me now and   decision was  made to make   all this, I still shouldn’t take   Her videos are phenomenal   it’s not both  of your  best  That’s right.
 see that I’ve come this far and   it a single and there was fear   advantage of that.   and then the opposite, it’s like   ideas combined. Its whichever   Wow,  that’s  actually really
 I’m about  to quit, he  would   for sure. But I don’t think I’m   truly the opposite of what our   ideas are good enough for   good, I got to write that down,
 slap me across the face?” So,   saying anything that people  Right. Yeah, sleep hygiene is   band does which is we’re very   each other so it’s really each   I like that. I’ll use it in a later
 I’m doing it for him.   aren’t thinking themselves.   a thing.   story-telly and she’s very like   person’s  worst  idea that was   song.
 Those  are very basic human   visual art. Like all of our music   just acceptable, you know
 Is that what stopped you from   things that I’ve learned. On a   videos  are all like beginning,   what I mean? Like the lowest
 just outright quitting?   Individuals   spiritual  and emotional  level   middle,  end.  There’s  a  common denominator  ends
 Yeah, it was a big part of it. It   I’ve just found that people are   protagonist,  there’s  like  up being the song and those
 was sort of just like -- I don’t   take risks,    really cool. Large groups of   characters  and  hers  are just   collaborations don’t  go well.
 know. I don’t know how many   people  who enjoy the same   very stark art pieces that are   That’s my experience. I think if
 lives we have. As far as we   things that you enjoy are very   just  incredible. But I’m  more   I’m not controlling every little
 know, we have one and if I   groups   cool and it’s really special that   about the music, I’m just a fan   piece of it, I’m not allowed
 have the opportunity to do   we  have this community  to   of her lyrics and a fan of her   to make like really ridiculous
 something really special with   don’t.  play for and to entertain and   songs and the production, all   revisions with someone else
 my one, it’s  stupid to waste   to connect with.   of it. I don’t know, I say that I   in the room stifling that, then
 and I shouldn’t waste it.   want to collaborate with Billie   that’s when  my best art is
 What’s up next for   Eilish, but then when I really   going to come out.
 Absolutely. I think you make   Badflower?   think about it, I don’t think I
 your 13-year-old-self proud.   We’re about to head  to   belong  anywhere near her. I

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